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Wednesday, May 03, 2006

SUMMARY ARGUMENTS ON RESERVATION

(I'm sorry , it's too long. No pressure, if you don't want to read it, Please don't. I've tried to highlight the main points though , and present them in as concise a manner as possible)

  1. No country uses reservation as India does.
  2. It is advocated to bring backward classes to a level at par with the so called forward classes post independence, and thus create equality. Practical experience and hindsight has shown that such 'quantitative support restrictions' have failed in India to secure equality. Moreover such reservation has created an idea of inequality in the 'superstructure' and 'social consciousness', by making the former feel that the latter is always a potentially exploitative class, and the latter feel unsympathetic to the actually deprived condition of a lot of such people, and rather thinking of them as opportunity stealers.
  3. Any policy can be evaluated on the basis of its performance. A fifty year period of non- performance of this policy makes a clear case of its removal and a move to a better policy which leads to a social movement towards equality of opportunities rather than a forced recognition that some castes are unequal that creates a false paradigm of inequality. Thus what is required is a revamping of ideologies and social consciousness.
  4. The reservation policy was announced for a period of 10 -years only. Clearly 50>>>>10. Moreover even if such a policy makes sense it is only if the reservation is for first generation backwards to break the vicious cycle they were trapped in. By extending it for so long, the policy has created a dualistic class within the backwards- with the rural backwards still waiting for a first generation reform leading to equality in status, and the urban SC's/ST's who are actually sons and daughters of well placed IAS officers or doctors or the likewise, and are well equipped to fight it out for seats solely on the basis of merit, using such protection to gain access to limited seats and making themselves more well equipped.
  5. The actual backward castes today is that of the poor. It doesn't matter to which caste , tribe or class you belong to. As long as you are poor, you are backward. Thus, if the government is really interested in removing inequality of opportunity, it must tackle poverty at all levels.
  6. Also, there is no point in securing benefits for a caste at higher levels of education, when at the lower levels of education, they are rejected, or have access to poor quality education at lower levels. A strengthening of provision of good quality health and education are required at the lower levels of education. This would enhance capabilities with much more effectiveness.
  7. We must be clear that this is not a battle between the classes. It is battle of all classes together against the government policy of divide- and - rule. Thus we must not preclude the SC's and ST's while fighting against reservation, but rather take them into confidence, by making them realise that such a policy is as much harmful to them as to us. Thus 'them' and 'us' must be converted into 'we'.
  8. The governments Short term politics must be brought to light. This reservation announcement is only a cheap measure to attract a larger vote bank, and if not for a strong expression of opinion against this politics, the government may actually have been successful in achieving its short term goal. Thus this is a reverse case : a 'predatory govt' must be made to realise an alternative path- that which would lead to a greater long run development- through intervention by the public.
  9. Finally, no govt. has been able to remove the reservation in a phased out manner in the stipulated time period of 10-years. This is because of a strong pressure lobby, both in the parliament, and in other strong groups, to continue with reservation. Thus when we are formulating this strong lobby against reservation, our aim should not only be to make the government take back its policy announcement of extension of reservations, but also to use the strength of our student lobby to override the strength of the above mentioned political lobbies, and hence get reservation removed once and for all.

P.S: I don't think or write any views emotionally, and would be grateful if any responses directed at these views is devoid of emotional outbursts, and is completely pragmatic in nature. Also we must remember that any social activism must be complemented with an attitude to take any questions from an opposing viewpoint very calmly, without presuming that what an opposing camp says is bullshit and does not deserve any weight or thought. Answers must always be based on complete access to information and a logical and far sighted analysis.

14 Comments:

Blogger ishani said...

I think that's a brilliant thought. Let's take alook at AAditya's plan (wherever it is posted??!) and add taht to the agenda. I think maybe we should use newspapers and pamphlets to appeal to the others sections of workers.

4/5/06 17:27  
Blogger United Students said...

well.. its a sensible write up for one, and two, if someone to take care to look at our press releases, a lots of similar poiint of what u mention, is what we have stated. there is a need for an emperical study of the existing system, before u go and expand the net further. Next, the mandal report of 1980 is irrelevant in the india of 2006. and even if it were to be brought anywhere close to be considered it should be reviewed.

about strikes: there are a couple of issues which arise out of them, bhanu. united students doesnt quite believ in arm twisting and blackmailing. maybe this could be part of an action plan at a later stage. but we at US use a much more intellectual stratergy. this issue if it has to be won, has to be extensivly debated, and won intellectually and not on the streets. which is why conferences.. hope to see you guys there.

5/5/06 00:04  
Blogger United Students said...

one of our strategies is, "That all established political parties through their student wings such as NSUI, ABVP, SFI etc. should state clearly if they are for the proposed extensions for the OBCs or not and should they be in opposition of our viewpoint, we intend to work collectively with all students of DU to work against them at the time of DUSU elections. The actions we may take under this head will be discussed later as the issue evolves"

5/5/06 00:07  
Blogger United Students said...

bertolt brecht once said: "One who fights may loose; one who doesn't fight, has already lost"
do read the post at our blog!

6/5/06 23:53  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why are you people just writing stuffs on the blog and doing nothing substantial about it?why dont u join the medical students??
i havent seen much of delhi university students involved...and this so called united students organisation comprises of people who prefer to sit and talk among themselves.Cant you see our politicians are hard of hearing??Or you are scared of water cannons,tear gas bombs and lathis??are only medical students really indians?who are you??

PS:watch rang de basanti.you might be able to know the meaning of sacrifice.

13/5/06 22:01  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

united students seems to be ruled by one man...one mind.whaddya mean intelectual strategy?it all bloody politics in this fucking organization called UNITED STUDENTS!!

13/5/06 22:04  
Blogger obc voice said...

'1.No country uses reservation as India does.'
sounds ambiguous to me, and perhaps irrelevant. which other country has a caste system as elaborate as ours?
2.'Practical experience and hindsight has shown that such 'quantitative support restrictions' have failed in India to secure equality.'
whose practical experience and hindsight? though, i largely agree with that. but for different reasons- it wasn't the purpose of 'quantitative support restrictions' alone to perform the task of 'equalising'. and aren't you vague about time-'post independence'.. what does that mean? the 'quantitative support restrictions', which was the only 'equalising' measure that was put into practice, came in too little and too late. and were disputed, opposed, stalled at every stage. it was clear that the state wasn't acting with a 'saaf neeyat'.
'Moreover such reservation has created an idea of inequality in the 'superstructure' and 'social consciousness', by making the former feel that the latter is always a potentially exploitative class, and the latter feel unsympathetic to the actually deprived condition of a lot of such people, and rather thinking of them as opportunity stealers.'
marxist social theory might help you deal with/assuage doubts in your conscience about the stand you've taken, beforehand, that reservations are wrong..but the fact remains: illiteracy,poverty and expoitation run along caste lines in india. if you don't support reservations, fine. but don't construct a fake superstructure of 'deluded consciousness' to justify your stand.
3.'Any policy can be evaluated on the basis of its performance. A fifty year period of non- performance of this policy makes a clear case of its removal and a move to a better policy which leads to a social movement towards equality of opportunities rather than a forced recognition that some castes are unequal that creates a false paradigm of inequality.'
the policy you referred to hasn't even been fully, or whole-heartedly, implemented until now- so don't try to assign a fifty year history to it. 'clear case for removal'- why couch this intense urge in a packaging of objective sounding pontification? did this need for a social movement strike you only now, as the logic of 'economic' criterion seems to occur to many wise opponents of reservations whenever it's forced upon the popular attention, or where you always wedded to this cause and were actively working towards it? will it outlast the moment manmohan singh or sonia gandhi or whoever in the establishment comes out with the latest ploy for postponing the latest bout of reservations until time unknown?
4.'The reservation policy was announced for a period of 10 -years only. Clearly 50>>>>10. Moreover even if such a policy makes sense it is only if ....blah..blah..blah..'
the original reservations policy was for reservation in legislatures..these bills are reviewed and extended based on the new facts etc., can't you think of something more interesting than this tired old ruse to stall reservations? everyone right from the ficci secretary general to the schoolkid from dps uses it.. like it were a pathbreaking nugget of wisdom that sheds new light on the issue.
5.'The actual backward castes today is that of the poor.'
what can i say - another nugget of 'new' wisdom. even the planning commision wouldn't dispute the fact that the overwhelming majority of the poor in the country are obcs, dalits and tribals. and you have the creamy layer. when i say creamy layer, you'd of course jump to the point that the creamy layer isn't implemented sincerely by most states - and therefore drop the whole policy. (so that you can go back to your social movement for' revamping of ideologies and social consciousness'.. or merely socialising ?)
6.'A strengthening of provision of good quality health and education are required at the lower levels of education..'
that was required even when the Kaka Kalelkar commision was constituted in 1955. my hindsight tells me, the government would tinker with the existing institutions to ensure that the elite doesn't have to suffer from any loss of seats due to the present bout of reservations and go back to sleep.
7.'We must be clear that this is not a battle between the classes. It is battle of all classes together against the government policy of divide- and - rule. Thus we must not preclude the SC's and ST's while fighting against reservation, but rather take them into confidence, by making them realise that such a policy is as much harmful to them as to us. Thus 'them' and 'us' must be converted into 'we'.'
yes, coopt the sc/sts now to fight the obc reservations..and rope in the obcs and perhaps, even the muslims, to demand a 'review' of the sc/st reservations later. yes, convert them into 'we'.
8.'a 'predatory govt' must be made to realise an alternative path- that which would lead to a greater long run development- through intervention by the public.'
are you serious? the mandal recommendations were supported by a parliament in which more than 80% were non-obcs. which means you guys, essentially - the ruling classes. doesn't this reek of hypocrisy and double standards? your representatives speak one thing in parliament and encourage you to shout a totally different thing outside it on the streets?
9.' use the strength of our student lobby to override the strength of the above mentioned political lobbies, and hence get reservation removed once and for all.'
i sincerely wish you'd succeed - then it would be plain for all to see the true 'predatory' nature of this government and the ruling classes who run it. a foolish, ruling class that doen't even intend(or isn't even smart enough?) to keep up the appearance of being fair and non-partisan.

15/5/06 16:30  
Blogger ishani said...

I agree that sitting and talking isn't enough. WE MUST GO OUT AND JOIN THE PROTEST.

BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN TAHT SITTING AND TALKING ISN'T IMPORTANT, coz we must decide to join the protest actively.... or not.... based on complete information, and for the right reasons. Otherwise the protest will be only a flow of adrenaline and an emotional outburst, it won't be grounded and thus would not be able to last long.


Thanks obc- voice for the datailed response. I am thouroughly grateful , although it is quite clear from reading what you've written the way you've written it, that you don't appreciate any other viewpoint at all. That's alright. I'll respond to your response, after a lot of CLEAR THINKING, tomorrow. Hopefully, you don't mind that i choose to respond and not mutely accept what you say. That is after all the first step to building a liberal and equal society.

19/5/06 21:54  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

implementation and ideals are completely different issues, and if you want to hold your upper class supremacy just by blaming the lack of efficency by the government......... by the same logic we should have just one exam where the whole population is divided into intelligent and non intelligent people and give all income to one group........ oh wait a second that already happens it's called a graduation degree...... get your facts right us is one of the most reserved societies , not in the same way as india..... and it sems your propogating complete anarchy cause by any defination of government one section gets power and one doesn't, and while you sit in an ac room writing on the internet how can you insuniate on any rational basis that your not being favoured by the government..... PLEEAAASSE don't considr this post as an emotional outburst,of course nothing personal, as long as we rich upper class people have hegemony on society we don't really care do we.......

17/6/06 12:24  
Blogger ishani said...

No, infact I rally liked what you said, not emotional at all. But right there you and I are on the same plane....coz we both believe that the only domination here is by an upper class of the lower class. Our differences probably lie in the way we percieve the word 'class'. While I'd say its the rich vs poor, with the middle class as the 'dhobi ka kutta, na ghar ka na ghat ka', you draw your analogy of the word class to caste. Do you really think that universally all sc's, st's and obc's (I still don't know who they are) are poor, jobless, degreeless... and all people like you and me who maybe don't belong to the castes are 'well off' as i would quote you. Yes it the govt. which is powerful, powerful enough to make us feel divided within ourselves and not realise how we all universally face exploitation of varying degrees. People in the govt have no caste.... their only caste is money.... likewise people outside it have only one caste...misery.
All we ask for is a scientific statistical survey of how effective the resrvation policy has been for 50 YEARS!!! after alll, why waste money and time and energy on a policy which doesn't even in nominal terms make a positive contribution ( I know that's a value judgement, I'd be pleased if some evidence can prove or disprove it,,,,unfortunately I have no such source to refer to).
There were no SC's in my BA Final class, most of them failed. Now why would that happen? You expect to cut the legs of a person off, and then give him crutches, and ask him to climb Mount Everest on the single thin trail, at a snail pace blocking another fast climber who worked hard to gain that capabilty, so that none of them reach the top. Now who's at fault. Not the legless person, nor the fast climber who got pushed back. Why implement a policy that has no practical sense, why would the govt. be so reluctant to instead spend that money spent on crutches on building strong legs through elementary education, so that everyone gets an equal footing when its time to climb. It is not each others motives that we should question, it is these hidden ulterior motives of the ever powerful authority that need examinaton.

Sorry for the late response, my net was down and then i got busy with some exams.

24/6/06 19:48  
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